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- INTERVIEW, Page 58A Voice Of the Hizballah
-
-
- Sheik Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, elusive leader of the
- pro-Iranians holding hostages in Lebanon, talks of terror and
- money
-
- By William Dowell
-
-
- Q. How will the death of Ayatullah Khomeini and Hashemi
- Rafsanjani's election as President of Iran affect the Hizballah?
-
- A. I am not the official spokesman for the Hizballah, so I
- cannot answer this question as an involved person, but I can
- speak as an observer. There is no major change in strategy, but
- there is a change in approach, caused by the phase that Iran is
- now entering. The previous phase was one of war and building
- the Revolution. The current phase is one of peace and rebuilding
- the country. The conditions put forward by Rafsanjani for
- restoring relations with the U.S. are the same ones he put
- forward during the life of the Imam (Khomeini). They are that
- America should stop its aggressive policy against Iran and that
- America can express that by releasing the frozen Iranian assets.
-
- Q. It will be difficult for the U.S. to free Iranian assets
- so long as American hostages are being held in Lebanon.
-
- A. The two cases are very different. When America froze
- Iran's assets, it was a big country taking an illegal action.
- The problem of the hostages is related to individuals, who might
- be friendly to Iran but who, from a legal point of view, are not
- responsible as a country. The hostages were not kidnaped by
- Iran. They were kidnaped by organizations in Lebanon that may
- not have any relationship to Iran.
-
- Q. Americans are convinced that Iran financed these
- movements.
-
- A. That is one point of view. Many countries finance
- movements but do not interfere in their day-to-day operations.
- America finances Israel with more than $3 billion a year; can
- we as Arabs or Muslims assume that the U.S. is responsible for
- everything Israel is doing now?
-
- Q. That is exactly the point of view the Hizballah takes.
-
- A. We believe that America is responsible for what Israel
- does because there is a strategic alliance between the U.S. and
- Israel. Do Americans accept our accusations; do you agree with
- the charges we make?
-
- Q. No, of course not.
-
- A. If Americans don't accept our accusations, why do they
- make the same kind of accusations against us? As I see it, the
- kidnaping of American hostages is the result of political
- turbulence. The problem is the violence that Israel's presence
- has imposed on the region. We do not consider kidnaping to be
- a humane act. We do not think it is right for a human being to
- take away the freedom of another human being. We have been
- working recently to educate people at the Friday prayers against
- this method.
-
- Q. Many of the Friday prayer sermons have been strongly
- anti-American.
-
- A. We are not against the American people, but we are
- against the policy of the American Administration, especially
- as it relates to Israel.
-
- Q. When Americans see the case of Colonel Higgins, who was
- hanged, Americans who know nothing about Lebanon are suddenly
- filled with hatred. Isn't it time now to call on the people
- responsible to stop?
-
- A. We understand these feelings and consider that they are
- natural and human. We have been working on it, and we are still
- speaking out about the necessity of closing this file. But we
- also know that America has the practical means to solve the
- problem if it wants.
-
- Q. Would you now personally call on those who are holding
- the hostages to let them go?
-
- A. I have appealed to them more than 50 times. You can
- refer to the Friday prayer sermons, which I use to educate the
- public. I completely reject (hostage taking). There is a
- difference between my opposition to American policy and
- physically harming American people.
-
- Q. Your name has often been linked in the press to the
- bombing of the American Marines in Beirut. Were you involved in
- that?
-
- A. I can assure you that I did not know about the bombing
- of the American Marines in Beirut until after it happened. But
- I did talk about it, since it represented an aspect of the
- opposition to American policy in the region. There is a
- difference between approving of some of the political effects
- and actually participating. I told journalists after the bombing
- that the press had relied on information coming from the
- (Christian) Phalangists. I challenged them to produce any proof
- linking me to it.
-
- Q. The United States has a new Administration under George
- Bush.
-
- A. We are watching its practical actions, but up to now we
- haven't been able to form a clear picture. We are afraid that
- Henry Kissinger could be harmful to the Administration. We want
- them to be very cautious about Kissinger.
-
- Q. Just what did Kissinger do that was so terrible?
-
- A. He burned Lebanon.
-
- Q. In what way?
-
- A. We feel that Kissinger wanted to bury the Palestinian
- issue in Lebanon to ensure that there would be no Palestinian
- issue to confront the existence of Israel.
-
- Q. There are no Americans left in Lebanon now, but the
- killing goes on. The U.S. tried to exert pressure on Israel to
- pull out of Lebanon, and yet you say that America is an
- imperialist country.
-
- A. Naturally, if you want to improve your image, it's not
- enough to cover your face with a bit of makeup. You need a
- plastic surgeon. It will take a long time for people to regain
- their trust in American policy. America says in regard to
- certain countries that the deepening of relationships requires
- a lot of time. We need more signs from American policy to regain
- our trust in the American Administration.
-
- Q. Is it possible after all these years of hatred for Iran
- and the U.S. to be friends again?
-
- A. When we look at the relationship between Islamic Iran
- and the atheistic Soviet Union, and the new development of
- friendship on the political and economic levels, we see that it
- is possible to return to a relationship between the U.S. and
- Iran. Relationships are subject to the real interests of the
- people and not to personal relationships.
-
- Q. Do you believe the Hizballah in Lebanon could eventually
- be friendly toward the United States?
-
- A. My belief is that the situation is becoming gray.
-
- Q. But are you optimistic?
-
- A. I am realistic. I look for optimistic signs in reality.
-
- Q. What does that mean?
-
- A. When the issue is gray, you do not see clearly.
-
- Q. And the families of the hostages who are being held in
- Lebanon, what would you say to those people?
-
- A. I would like to tell them that I live their deep pain
- and their human suffering concerning their beloved ones, and I
- appreciate their feelings. I wish I had the realistic means to
- end this human tragedy. I am working on educating the whole
- nation against this method, and I wish that I could influence
- the people involved. I can confirm that I have done a great deal
- of work in this direction, but I have come across many closed
- paths.
-
- Q. Do you think the time has come for the United States to
- make a new effort to contact the Iranians and the Hizballah?
-
- A. I believe any problem can be approached in a practical
- way. I believe America should do something that generates trust
- and that shows it is not against freedom.
-
- Q. Do you think that money is the most important thing for
- Iran?
-
- A. I don't see it that way. I see the problem of the frozen
- assets as an indication of whether there is a change from a
- hostile policy. Naturally, this may have an effect on building
- Iran, but I believe that Iran, which is already rich with its
- own natural resources, will not relinquish its freedom in
- exchange for any amount of money.
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